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Mixed reviews on this. Want some lifting experience with both. Who has noticed gains from decline presses as opposed to incline. Also, has anyone noticed any pain or received injury from one or the other?
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sometime i feel some pain on incline bb press.

decline db flys ftw
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I used to do decline press but i think it has the same effect with flat bench. so switched it with dips instead. the only difference with flat and declines is that im stronger when i do declines. Or if im gonna do declines im going to do hammer press or flys.
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Yeah, I usually never did decline bb press due to some horror stories, but I wanted to hit chest hard especially upper chest. Incline bb always seems fine, I just want to minimize possible shoulder injury. Doing decline/incline always promotes a bigger and more full chest, so I'm curious what others have seen with it.
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@david12345676

flys are always a win in my book! No pain with decline??

@jonrivs49

do you do weighted dips?
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not really any pain. blood sure does rush to tha dome though
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@CodyTheClen.. Yup
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SwoleAnimal private msg quote post Address this user
I prefer decline. If I wanted to hit shoulders I'd just do O/H presses.
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Originally Posted by CodyTheClen
Yeah, I usually never did decline bb press due to some horror stories, but I wanted to hit chest hard especially upper chest. Incline bb always seems fine, I just want to minimize possible shoulder injury. Doing decline/incline always promotes a bigger and more full chest, so I'm curious what others have seen with it.


Inb4ek Upperchest.

There is a difference if total fast vs slow twitch fiber activation in elevation of presses, however your entire chest contracts or it does not. There is no "Upper Chest" that you can isolate.
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but I wanted to hit chest hard especially upper chest.





-3X
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i use decline for heavy weight, incline for heavy weight for reps and flat for 5s or 3s usually..

i enjoy decline freeweight and have always noticed more mass doing these
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I love incline on hyper day but I cant stand decline. I work out solo and find it very hard to get my ass and the weight on the bench when I go heavy.
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@Nyko @eknight

So let me get my anatomy right boys. From the university I study, A&P 1 and 2 states that there is the sternal and clavicular pectoralis (one being major and minor). Self explanitory. You take anatomy and physiology too from what I saw right EK? So in reality, when I said upper chest I meant, 'An isolated clavicular pectoralis major' workout to give my chest a more full look.

I'm sorry, but I thought this was winter break? Why are there such sticklers on here?
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@CodyTheClen
Sorry Sir Cody of Clenbuterol, It is commonly accepted on this website that the full pectoral muscle either contracts or it doesn't. There have been many threads and discussions plus research and analysis to debunk isolating the upper chest. In saying this, you are of course entitled to your own beliefs and sha'll continue to train in the way that you see fit. This is just a disclaimer.
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Yeah I figured that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Thanks for the heads up. I guess I didn't know who knows the most on public forums!
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@Nyko @eknight

So let me get my anatomy right boys. From the university I study, A&P 1 and 2 states that there is the sternal and clavicular pectoralis (one being major and minor). Self explanitory. You take anatomy and physiology too from what I saw right EK? So in reality, when I said upper chest I meant, 'An isolated clavicular pectoralis major' workout to give my chest a more full look.

I'm sorry, but I thought this was winter break? Why are there such sticklers on here?


It was not intended as a jab at you, just a brief reiteration of what this forum has seen 1000x as swole stated. Don't take it personally.
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It was not intended as a jab at you, just a brief reiteration of what this forum has seen 1000x as swole stated. Don't take it personally.


None taken, I'm just looking for exercises others have seen results from, in particular decline and incline presses. From a couple of my posts now all I get is corrections and links to more information. Constructive criticism is cool, but being 'told' something is another. Ill read a book if I need to learn something lol.
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@Nyko @eknight

So let me get my anatomy right boys. From the university I study, A&P 1 and 2 states that there is the sternal and clavicular pectoralis (one being major and minor). Self explanitory. You take anatomy and physiology too from what I saw right EK? So in reality, when I said upper chest I meant, 'An isolated clavicular pectoralis major' workout to give my chest a more full look.

I'm sorry, but I thought this was winter break? Why are there such sticklers on here?


I doubt your anatomy states that, since it's incorrect. The pec major and pec minor are two completely separate muscles, with separate innnervation and points of origin and insertion. The pectoralis major has two heads, yes, but they can not be isolated/contracted/targeted at the expense of one another. If you actually DID take anatomy, then you know that a muscle shortens by bringing the point of insertion to the point of origin. You also know that BOTH heads of the pectoralis insert at the lateral lip of the bicipital groove of the humerus. Finally, you know that there is no way to contract one head without the other given that common point of insertion. This isn't a matter of stickling- you posted some things that are flat incorrect. -3X
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How do I improve the area near my collar bone? I have a large chest especially for my frame but I have way too much collar bone!
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How do I improve the area near my collar bone? I have a large chest especially for my frame but I have way too much collar bone!


Building mass my man. We can't change shape, but we sure can grow!
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Not here to discuss anatomical features with you EK. Its irritating that you force your thoughts upon others. What was it that someone said on here.. youre viewed as the.. anti-christ was is? Easy up pal! I was not wrong, so were going to have to agree to disagree.
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Really? What part were you not wrong about? Explain or GTFO. There's a difference between forcing an opinion and stating a fact. Then there's what you did- state incorrect presumptions. What Anatomy book do you have that states your claim? What references can you cite? Basic human anatomy isn't an opinion, lol. I do not agree to disagree, I agree to state that you're wrong. You aren't here to debate anatomy with me because that's a debate you'll lose.




-3X
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ek just told cody that 2+2=4

cody did not believe ek that 2+2=4
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Clen trys to act smart.


Gets owned

Then pulls the Im not debating this card with EK.



EK:1000

Clen: -140823492789016234
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Really? What part were you not wrong about? Explain or GTFO. There's a difference between forcing an opinion and stating a fact. Then there's what you did- state incorrect presumptions. What Anatomy book do you have that states your claim? What references can you cite? Basic human anatomy isn't an opinion, lol. I do not agree to disagree, I agree to state that you're wrong. You aren't here to debate anatomy with me because that's a debate you'll lose.

Why are people so demeaning to others at times on this site? How many of us are professional athletes? Isn't lifting supposed to be fun? From what I've seen, I'm the only person on this site with a doctorate degree. I'll argue anatomy & physiology with anyone all day long. I've spent more time in a cadaver lab than you could possibly fathom(not bragging btw). I just don't understand the "know it all attitude". I guess that's why the same 10 guys are the only one's posting. Other sites just don't have this kind of atmosphere.

Don't take this the wrong way...not trying to insult or start a quarrel with anyone about anything...can't we just be nicer to each other?
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Yes, this is my 1st post and realize I totally screwed up the "quotation"....Science and the human body I'm good...computers---very uneducated.
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hmnnnnnnn. I see where your coming from trapsht...... I am guessing that this discussion (with chest) has come up many, many, times and the ones who have been on this sight for a long time get a little annoyed when someone brings it up again. To us its like beating a dead horse for the 1,000,000th time............ And you have to realize where EK is coming from haha. He has put MANY studies up and spent a lot of time and effort teaching ppl on the forum the principals of the "chest" argument.
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@trapsht honestly I don't care if I come across as quarrelsome. I'd rather put correct information out there and let people get the right knowledge than play nicey nice. Noteworthy, too, is that while you quoted my post, it was @CodyTheClen that started this with

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@Nyko @eknight

So let me get my anatomy right boys. From the university I study, A&P 1 and 2 states that there is the sternal and clavicular pectoralis (one being major and minor). Self explanitory. You take anatomy and physiology too from what I saw right EK? So in reality, when I said upper chest I meant, 'An isolated clavicular pectoralis major' workout to give my chest a more full look.

I'm sorry, but I thought this was winter break? Why are there such sticklers on here?


If someone is going to pop off in such an intellectualy sanctimonious manner, they can expect to be corrected when they are wrong. -3X
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Like I said...totally screwed up the quotation aspect of my reply. I had no intention of quoting, nor insulting anyone. I just don't understand such frivolous arguments...just my .02. Don't worry about origins/insertions. Just lift hard...I guarantee you half of the knuckleheads in the NFL don't have a clue about it..they just lift hard & eat right.
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Yes, this is my 1st post and realize I totally screwed up the "quotation"....Science and the human body I'm good...computers---very uneducated.


and your post wasnt coded in a egotistical attitude?

"I'm the only person on this site with a doctorate degree. I'll argue anatomy & physiology with anyone all day long. I've spent more time in a cadaver lab than you could possibly fathom(not bragging btw)"


just because you put not bragging at the end does not mean its not bragging..


lets see the doctorates degree because out of anyone you should be the most picky about the correct information being spread around. But I guess you must be the only person who has a doctorates degree who does not care if the incorrect information is posted.

and how do you know you are the only one with a doctorate degree?
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