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so training to failure is not good?6952

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That's why you are going for failure on the LAST set so it won't damage the first sets
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That's why you are going for failure on the LAST set so it won't damage the first sets


exactly
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Of course not its just an example because you are looking at the total poundage for an indication of quality so if I'm working by your formula lame 225 x 10 with the total of 2250 are a lot better than 400 x 5 whice are only 2000. The way you are measuring the growth potential is completely wrong.


Growth does not occur as easily from very low rep training though. Sets of 3-5 are great for strength, joint power, and developing the CNS, but they don't get enough blood flow into the muscle to facilitate the same kind of growth as slightly higher reps. -3X
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It depends on the different muscle anatomy of every person, and the muscle type slow/fast twitch
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It depends on the different muscle anatomy of every person, and the muscle type slow/fast twitch
Generally, no. Most people have the same amount of fast twitch and slow twitch fibers, unless they are in the less than 1% that are considered outliers (ie, professional athletes). As a general rule, though, anatomy doesn't change between people. -3X
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Black people have mostly more fast twitch fibers statistic and about the muscle anatomy of course everyone is built different and like Alex said some things are working for him but not for others
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@In4gainZ lol such nonsense. Where do you even come up with this stuff? If black people have "mostly more fast twitch fibers" (not even sure what that means) then why are so many marathon runners balck? Why aren't there more successful white distance runners? And why do you suppose there aren't more black powerlifters and strong men? "Everyone is built different"?? Really? Do you have more arms or legs or vertebrae than someone else? Everyone (generally) is built the SAME. What you do with that build differs based on training. -3X
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@eknight am i right in saying that although people are born with the same fibres, the type 2b fibres if constantly exposed to longer duration exercise can be changed to type 2a muscle fibres, however the process cannot be reversed?
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I was taught in anatomy that there's not enough evidence to suggest changing fiber type is possible. -3X
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damnnn. My Anatomy teacher, and exercise physiology teachers taught me that fiber type CAN be changed.. However, not generally from type I too type 2 but they can be adapted from 2a too 2b and vice versa (depending on if training aerobic system or anaerobic)
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Okay, I was curious about this as i'm keen to try out some volume training after my next cut, namely vince gironda's 8x8 routine, but I was worried about the possiblity of losing some of my strength long term as a result of fibre type change, think i'll do something a little like phat (my own version) to be on the safe side
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well..... your fiber types won't change unless you start running long distance marathons or endurance training
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well vince gironda's 8X8 was as it says 8 set of 8 with as little as 15 seconds of rest between sets, which was why i was a bit wary of it
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damn sounds hard core haha... but if you wanna try it I don't see anything wrong with giving new programs a go. Learn a few things about your body/recovery rate and who knows... maybe its best for your body. If not then maybe there are a few things you can take on with it... Good too keep an open mind
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Vince Gironda is my daddy. I follow his mantra and drink Reo Blaire crazy man protein
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yeah i guess, i've incorporated it before and on hack squats, it's absolutely fucking brutal haha
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hahah sounds it!!!!
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Ek what do you think about what a few of the Bulgarian coaches wrote on, they reckoned by training at high percentages and high volume you could actually eventually change the nature of muscle fibers/
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Again, I was taught that this is not accepted by the clinical community. You can change within the type (ie, IIa can convert to IIx and vice versa), but not through training, change between Type I and Type II muscle fibers. Rather, a higher % of Type I may be recruited than Type II (and vice versa) depending on the stress placed upon them through training. I am aware, however, that new research is being conducted to challenge this thought, but as of now, it hasn't been conclusive. -3X
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Certainly interesting.
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Very interesting thread. I was a big volume junky and always kept a rep in the tank. Now im training DC style and every set is to failure, and im having great gains. But i keep my rep range the hypertrophy zone~ not super low rep range
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@In4gainZ , go home, ur drunk.
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