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Wasting N00b gainz,by cutting as a beginner?16423

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GUYS NEED YOU HELP ON THIS.

So i have this thought that has been keeping me from starting an a official cut. I need to cut lots of weight and i am a beginner(no muscle, weak), and i believe that if i cut now along with lifting weights as a beginner i wont be able to take advantage of my noob gains and i will lose them, cause im in a deficit. Like once i start bulking again i wont have any noob gains because i wont be a beginner cause i have lifted for a few months,but i didnt gain size because i was on a cut. versues if i was a beginner and bulked first gaining lots of muscle, from thee noob gains.

please tell me if i'm wrong??????
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Depends on how much you have to cut imo. A pic would help.
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Depends on how much you have to cut imo. A pic would help.


this was from a few months ago, but same weight.


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I think you should really... I mean it will take a while to get all that off after your bulk... You don't want to spend 4-6 months cutting when you can be making gains so. Imo cut, but do whatever
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Cut... Lift hard and smart, cardio (which ever works for you) nutrient timing, and when you start to plateau switch it up, maybe intermittent fasting if a plateau should come. That's usually what I do. Get diet in check and no iifym bs, clean foods!!! No pixi sticks and hot dogs
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you can lose fat and gain muscle if you're just starting.

Especially more so because you have a good amount of fat.
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Cut... Lift hard and smart, cardio (which ever works for you) nutrient timing, and when you start to plateau switch it up, maybe intermittent fasting if a plateau should come. That's usually what I do. Get diet in check and no iifym bs, clean foods!!! No pixi sticks and hot dogs


what a bullshit



better cut and get rid off that fat, iifym + lifting and you will be fine
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I'm DEFINETLY gonna cut, but I was wondering once I am finished cutting and I start lean bulking will my noob gains be wasted?
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Don't worry about the noob gains wdf lol. Just finish the cut and bulk.
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Don't worry about the noob gains wdf lol. Just finish the cut and bulk.


I agree with this. If you aren't comfortable with your body fat, I'd cut. Noob gains are great, but in the long run consistency and time are what matters.
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Cut... Lift hard and smart, cardio (which ever works for you) nutrient timing, and when you start to plateau switch it up, maybe intermittent fasting if a plateau should come. That's usually what I do. Get diet in check and no iifym bs, clean foods!!! No pixi sticks and hot dogs


IIFYM bs? I bet you're one of those people that think IIFYM macros means eating nothing but junk food.
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LOL I FEEL DUMB.

After reading many threads made about this topic, wasting noob gains on a cut. I know now that it isn't a special window of opportunity that goes away instantly if you don't take advantage of. It's just gains depending on ones experience level.now I don't have to stress about losing my noob gains on a cut, cause I can still take advantage of them once I start lean bulking.
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I lost bodyfat and gained muscle for probably the first 4-5 months of actual training.
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I lost bodyfat and gained muscle for probably the first 4-5 months of actual training.


WTF, wow nice man!
Were you cutting, bulking or just didn't know what you were doing and just lifted and ate.
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Cut... Lift hard and smart, cardio (which ever works for you) nutrient timing, and when you start to plateau switch it up, maybe intermittent fasting if a plateau should come. That's usually what I do. Get diet in check and no iifym bs, clean foods!!! No pixi sticks and hot dogs


IIFYM bs? I bet you're one of those people that think IIFYM macros means eating nothing but junk food.


If you can fit a donut here and there that's fine but all your carbs shouldn't come from donuts and fries like I see a bit of people do. That's just my opinion
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@Beastmode1607 there's no such thing as "clean foods." Food is food in terms of fat loss. Google "Mark Haub Twinkie diet." -3X
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@Beastmode1607 Exactly. Flexible dieting. IIFYM. I don't get why some people think IIFYM means eating nothing but mcdonalds and candy. "Clean eating" has absolutely no meaning. Having a healthy relationship with food and knowing that eating a few cookies rather than sweet potato won't make a difference is what it means.
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@eknight yes there is healthy aka clean foods
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@Beastmode1607 I'm @eknight side on this one.

Example: You mentioned hot dogs as dirty food. The hot dogs in my freezer have two ingredients: Beef, and water. So the difference between those and the steak I bought last week? One is ground and stuck in a casing. Dirty and clean are preconceived notions that make 0% difference on fat loss. Should you eat only shitty food? No. But overall calories is king.
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@eknight yes there is healthy aka clean foods


Care to elaborate?


Your stomach and intestines break down whatever you eat and absorb it all the same way. Doesn't matter if it's a potato, a pixie stick, or something in between. It's all glucose when it's absorbed. -3X
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