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Davfitness private msg quote post Address this user
First of all, i'd like to say hello everyone!

I've been having a couple of issues recently as i'm currently prepping for a show 7 weeks and 2 days away, and would like your advice.

I've been in my contest prep for around 3 weeks now and have been feeling great, probably due to the fact i have a great coach who has done prep for a-lot of pro's (won't say his name as i don't like to name drop).
Today i went to the gym to hit my shoulders, normally smash them out, high intensity, strong reps and feel good when i leave....how-ever....today that was not the case. During my session i felt light-headed, and i thought it was due to tired-ness and obviously slightly low carbs, so i carried on. Then it felt like my head was going to explode and i was going to pass out, at this point i knew that my health came first over everything, and i left the gym and have decided to turn it into a rest day. Has anyone else had this problem before as i'm feeling worried about it? I'm also very tired and feel fatigued even after a good sleep.

My Diet Macro's at the moment 7.2 weeks out:
380g protein
120g carbs
60g fats

My stats:
Just turned 20 years old
6"0
169lbs
bf% needs to be calculated and will get done tomorrow

Competition info:
Miami Pro Junior Fitness Model (20-23)

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Bump.
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Don't bump things after 2 hours...

What's the reasoning behind your protein being abnormally high?

I'd be willing to bet part of the reason is that in combination with your low carbs.
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Davfitness private msg quote post Address this user
Assuming for muscle sparing as my carbs and fats are rather low.
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Perfidy private msg quote post Address this user
You should be able to ask your coach and get a response other than "I said so" or "Because it works".

You don't need near that much protein, even assisted.
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Does seem pretty common for protein to be that high when people are prepping, to me it seems completely unnecessary. I think protein that high is mainly aimed at people who are using 'supplements' If I were you I'd ask about having a refeed day once a week because if you're feeling shit now its only going to get worse as carbs go down further.

Looking good though, would be interested to know who's coaching you
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Far too much protein, far too few carbs. That's not slightly low on carbs, that's unnecessary and not enough glucose to fuel your brain, let alone your workouts. -3X
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Yeah, get your coach a good talking too. And if he says , because its what to do. Then drop him.
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too much protein
dont know if it is necessary to upper carbs
i just prefer higher fat
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Davfitness private msg quote post Address this user
Thanks for all the advice guys, having a phone call with him tonight and will keep you updated.

Just took it upon myself to have a re-feed/cheat meal and feel 10x better. Definitely needed the carbs, was looking very flat as-well.
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Far too much protein, far too few carbs. That's not slightly low on carbs, that's unnecessary and not enough glucose to fuel your brain, let alone your workouts. -3X


its not bad if he was like 2-3 weeks out but at 7weeks 2 days it seems really low.

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Thanks for all the advice guys, having a phone call with him tonight and will keep you updated.

Just took it upon myself to have a re-feed/cheat meal and feel 10x better. Definitely needed the carbs, was looking very flat as-well.


good call on the refeed, don't worry about looking flat though, it happens when you're cutting down for a show, come comp day you will look sick and that's all that matters.
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Thank,s for the info guys, really helped!

P.S: What do you guys all think about conditioning for 7.1 weeks out now, i feel a little too cut for this far out, what's your op?
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Far too much protein, far too few carbs. That's not slightly low on carbs, that's unnecessary and not enough glucose to fuel your brain, let alone your workouts. -3X


its not bad if he was like 2-3 weeks out but at 7weeks 2 days it seems really low.

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Thanks for all the advice guys, having a phone call with him tonight and will keep you updated.

Just took it upon myself to have a re-feed/cheat meal and feel 10x better. Definitely needed the carbs, was looking very flat as-well.


good call on the refeed, don't worry about looking flat though, it happens when you're cutting down for a show, come comp day you will look sick and that's all that matters.


Dude its bad full stop.

A guy at his age/size has no need to go below 200g of carbs, even thats extreme.

You need a certain amount of carbs for brain function. Never mind the training aspect.

Clearly his coach isnt qualified to coach given the fact his protein is double what it should be.

Id instantly change 100g protein for carbs, and keep swapping out protein for carbs!

Id also up his fats aswell!
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Far too much protein, far too few carbs. That's not slightly low on carbs, that's unnecessary and not enough glucose to fuel your brain, let alone your workouts. -3X


its not bad if he was like 2-3 weeks out but at 7weeks 2 days it seems really low.

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Originally Posted by Davfitness
Thanks for all the advice guys, having a phone call with him tonight and will keep you updated.

Just took it upon myself to have a re-feed/cheat meal and feel 10x better. Definitely needed the carbs, was looking very flat as-well.


good call on the refeed, don't worry about looking flat though, it happens when you're cutting down for a show, come comp day you will look sick and that's all that matters.


Dude its bad full stop.

A guy at his age/size has no need to go below 200g of carbs, even thats extreme.


Having doubts on coach as-well, dw.
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Trev182 private msg quote post Address this user
I would.

Are you on any form on steroids?

Genuinly curious as its the only reason your coach would have your protein so high, even though it would still be too high.

Dont be offended by the question, not meant to be offensive.
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Davfitness private msg quote post Address this user
I'm completely natural, never touched steroids in my 3 and a half years of training. Would say if i was, but to be fair i over-think things way too much to have the mental capacity to be able to hold my own on the gear.
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Then your coach has no idea what hes doing.

Id ask him why your protein is so high and why he has your carbs and fats so low?

If he says "it worked for me" or "because i said so", id sack him right away.

Your macros need a complete over haul.
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What macro's would you recommend for me 7.1 weeks out, thank's for your help Trev, a-lot of food for thought!
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Trev182 private msg quote post Address this user
Without knowing all the details and stats, going off the calories youvr got there id use...

1g of protein per lb of bodyweight.
0.4g of fat per lb of bodyweight.

And fill the rest of your calories with carbs.

Im not a qualified coach and dont claim to be but thats what ID do.
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Far too much protein, far too few carbs. That's not slightly low on carbs, that's unnecessary and not enough glucose to fuel your brain, let alone your workouts. -3X


its not bad if he was like 2-3 weeks out but at 7weeks 2 days it seems really low.

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Originally Posted by Davfitness
Thanks for all the advice guys, having a phone call with him tonight and will keep you updated.

Just took it upon myself to have a re-feed/cheat meal and feel 10x better. Definitely needed the carbs, was looking very flat as-well.


good call on the refeed, don't worry about looking flat though, it happens when you're cutting down for a show, come comp day you will look sick and that's all that matters.


Dude its bad full stop.

A guy at his age/size has no need to go below 200g of carbs, even thats extreme.

You need a certain amount of carbs for brain function. Never mind the training aspect.

Clearly his coach isnt qualified to coach given the fact his protein is double what it should be.

Id instantly change 100g protein for carbs, and keep swapping out protein for carbs!

Id also up his fats aswell!


I kinda have to disagree on it being completely wrong but I'm basing that off my own experience and off other guys preps for comps. It's pretty common to have carbs really reduced leading up to a comp. I do think he could be on more carbs than he currently is though and his protein intake is way too high for a natural guy. I always get a bit suspect when people tell me they're on 350g+ a day of protein.

I've functioned with no problem at all on 120g carbs a week and 60g of fats, everyone is different though and this is why he has a coach, you'd think when he speaks to him and tells him how he feels, he will either be told to up carbs or have refeed days. There's no exact method for anyone you just have to know how to adjust.
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I do have to agree, i have seen changes how-ever in my body composition, but this could be down to the dramatic drop in carbs alone and have nothing to do with my protein. Personally i think im pissing my money down the drain by eating that much Protein.
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I do have to agree, i have seen changes how-ever in my body composition, but this could be down to the dramatic drop in carbs alone and have nothing to do with my protein. Personally i think im pissing my money down the drain by eating that much Protein.


You probably are to be honest. Have you told your coach how you've been feeling, if so what was is response?

I don't know who your coach is but sometimes they just don't give a shit (if it's online) They don't have to see you and they'll fob you off wit plans they've used with other people before and not adjust it to your height, weight, level of activity etc.
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Far too much protein, far too few carbs. That's not slightly low on carbs, that's unnecessary and not enough glucose to fuel your brain, let alone your workouts. -3X


its not bad if he was like 2-3 weeks out but at 7weeks 2 days it seems really low.

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Originally Posted by Davfitness
Thanks for all the advice guys, having a phone call with him tonight and will keep you updated.

Just took it upon myself to have a re-feed/cheat meal and feel 10x better. Definitely needed the carbs, was looking very flat as-well.


good call on the refeed, don't worry about looking flat though, it happens when you're cutting down for a show, come comp day you will look sick and that's all that matters.


Dude its bad full stop.

A guy at his age/size has no need to go below 200g of carbs, even thats extreme.

You need a certain amount of carbs for brain function. Never mind the training aspect.

Clearly his coach isnt qualified to coach given the fact his protein is double what it should be.

Id instantly change 100g protein for carbs, and keep swapping out protein for carbs!

Id also up his fats aswell!


I kinda have to disagree on it being completely wrong but I'm basing that off my own experience and off other guys preps for comps. It's pretty common to have carbs really reduced leading up to a comp. I do think he could be on more carbs than he currently is though and his protein intake is way too high for a natural guy. I always get a bit suspect when people tell me they're on 350g+ a day of protein.


For a natural athlete there is no need to be on more than 0.86g/lb of bodyweight, science has proven this. People use 1g/lb for ease of calculations.

People can keep arguing with the science but eventually they will give in.

People argued about the world being round at one point.

As for fats, its generally considered that 0.3-0.5g/lb of bodyweight works well.

So that leaves the rest carbs. As for lowering calories, carbs would be the main nutrient that would decrease. Obviously lowering protein and fats progressivly along with weight.

Just because it works, doesnt mean its right or optimal.

I do realise people have prepped for years on low carb dieta and high cardio, there just isnt any need.
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I wasn't disagreeing about his protein intake I was just pointing out that carbs are very individual and just saying add another 100g in is over simplifying it. I agree there's no need for cardio during comp prep. Interested to see what his coach has to say though.
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I agree, i just don't feel the numbers add up for a natural athlete. But things are working how-ever, even though i do feel like shit, here is today after now including 1 apple in my prep to maintain sanity.
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looking good!, actually have a shape very much like mine ha
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looking good!, actually have a shape very much like mine ha


thanks craig! Yeah true, obliques have the same shape! Your lower chest is definitely on point how-ever, i have quite a long body so struggle to grow the lower part of my pectorials. The only issue i have is i used to be anorexic, and my body type it's very hard to get width in my arms, so from the front they dont look as big as they do from the sides, quite irritating really. Any advice on building width?
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