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Iv made a few different threads asking for advice and what program I should do and etc. I'm pretty much just looking for some guidance on how my layout should be since I want to start working towards being able to compete in a few years
My goals are to gain some strength and lots of size.
I'm only 17 and weigh 145 with bench-170 squat-230 deadlift-270.
I can answer any other questions and I'm really ready to give it my all to succeed. Can someone please just help me out with what programs to do. Iv been told 5/3/1 but then I get told upper lower or full body would be best since I'm small. Thanks to anyone who can help out
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How tall are you? How long have you been lifting? Do you know your macros?
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Bro Tip: bulk for as long as you can 3-4 years then cut. dont bulk for a bit, then cut for a while, then complain you look skinny and start to bulk again.
I WISH I had bulked, uninterupted for at least 3 years. would have so much more mass now and a much better physique

other than that
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How tall are you? How long have you been lifting? Do you know your macros?
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@teewhat @Frostshock 5'9" lifting for year and half. Started off dumb I weighed around 170 all fat couldn't bench 50 pounds and lost all of that to 130. For past year iv been hoping from program to program gaining strength and some size. Iv had people help me with macros but I haven't tracked them or saw if they were correct.
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Alright well if you want to start gaining lots of size you might want to start tracking them now, otherwise eat like a fucking horse and dirty bulk - up to you but tracking is more optimal when it comes to keeping fat under control.

For strength AND size I'm tempted to say PHAT but I'm not sure if a year & 1/2 is enough experience. Otherwise Upper/Lower, PPL or Full body would probably work great still.
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@Frostshock with a ppl do I go p p l off repeat? Or spread it out so only once a week
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Frostshock private msg quote post Address this user
I'd ask someone who's done it, I hate making up programs haha. If it were me I'd do it that way though mainly because I hate rest days.
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smith96 private msg quote post Address this user
@Frostshock yeah lol I like being at the gym all the time even though I need rest
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Eat2Trainn247 private msg quote post Address this user
@smith96 take the time to educate yourself on optimal nutrition and training, and focus more on what current research tells us, not what some jacked meathead at the gym says

-Bulk bulk bulk. but slowly and surely

-practice safe and optimal technique on all exercises, but especially the big 3
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@Eat2Trainn247 thanks I found this upper lower and was curious if you think that would be well enough if I added some face pulls in and some lateral raises. (I have had shoulder pain and was told to make sure to hit all of shoulder)
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@smith96 I am by no means a training and you are best off consulting @EKnight, however, more than happy to give you my two cents...

This seems to be a very basic and general routine. A training regimen should reflect the goals of the individual. It should be tailored to their age, experience, ROM, skill level, strength/hypertrophy/functionality goals, lifestyle, stress, etc. It should be periodized and stress progressive overload. It should be many small parts/goals/cycles put together to accomplish one ultimate goal.

I am a fan of an upper/lower split personally. I also think it is a tremendous style for beginners to implement. I would suggest looking into a more proven routine, however, (531, startingstrength, etc) that is periodized and will help you establish quality and safe technique on squats, deads and bench, a solid foundation of strength and muscle and dedication to sticking to a routine for more than 3-4 weeks.
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@Eat2Trainn247 thank you so much I'm going to take all of that into account. I get what ur saying about my goals it's just when I start plugging in exercises for my goals I feel as if I add to much and make it worse
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@Eat2Trainn247 I am going to send eknight a message and ask for some help thanks for telling me about him
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Anybody else have any recommendations on a good upper lower
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